Wow this thread is going waay better than expected. I have such a massive smile, I love the idea we can all encourage each other with something that really helps. Gives hope
Isap, I don't think I would manage to be "mindful all day" haha, I meant a little everyday. I know it is possible to bring mindfulness into any part of the day.. but I do not find that so easy yet. I am trying to do 30m a day at the moment as a formal practice and I already feel that it is making me feel calmer at other times when I was expecting to be a bit aggitated.
"Good thread, hopefully will encourage us all to get more into it. I did a 20 minute session this morning first time in ages" This is so awesome. I also managed my session again today as a result of being encouraged by all the responses on here
ATTMP, MBSR and MCBT are completely different approaches. MBSR is entirely based on Mindfulness practice to enable stress reduction and to help people to better coping with living, especially aimed at people with health conditions, but anyone can follow the program. MCBT is basically Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, but then with a Mindfulness component to make it more effective.
For me the Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction techniques are wonderfully helpful but anything based on Cognitive Behaviour Therapy makes me worse, even if they are linking it with Mindfulness practice somehow.
Here is a wikipedia article on MCBT that seems to give a clear explanation for anyone interested and also distinguishes it from MBSR:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulne ... ve_therapy
Here is a link from the Centre for Mindfulness founded by Jon Kabat-Zinn (whose profile is also available on their website) where they apparently provide both along with a description about which is good for what condition:https://www.umassmed.edu/cfm/mindfulnes ... -programs/
ACT also uses Mindfulness a lot.
I think because Mindfulness is just so good for getting on with reality it can be of benefit to so many therapeutic approaches if it is used in parallel. For me right now, without treatment or proper diagnosis it is the only thing I have in my life that is helping me to move forward in my self understanding and learning how to cope with how I think, feel and experience things. I think it would have immense value to anyone, mental health issues or not.
"labeling still creates a spike in my thoughts" is it necessary to actively work to change that, or is it one of those things to accept and just observe that your brain wants to do that?
BIAO, awesome that you liked the thread too
But sorry to hear that you have been struggling.
"It always amazes me how many thoughts come into my mind - its almost like they are jumping over each other." Yes haha glad to know I am not the only one who has so many!
"I like the way mindfulness is called practice: you come, you observe, you practice - you try to just be."
Me too, it takes the pressure off when there is no wrong thing to be experiencing, not many things in life are that simple. Even when you don't feel good it is okay, and that is very relieving for me.
"The labelling thing is interesting - see what you mean ATTMP about sounds and connecting with the meaning, then it takes you towards judging / feeling something."
I do think our brains do this as a natural survival process, identification and judgement. If we didn't do this and react quicker than thinking we wouldn't have survived as a species.. it is just that in most modern world situations labelling and judging everything is not at all necessary and we need the observational distance that mindfulness gives. But I feel like if we judge the labelling and judging process then we are still judge ourselves for something we do automatically.
I was recently reading some of Jon Kabat-Zinn's Full Catastrophic Living, and he says a major component of the non-judgmental part of mindfulness is not to judge your judging. It is enough to notice that your mind wants to judge, and remain yourself an impartial witness to the process. That way you develop true non-judgmentalness rather than trying to stop something unconscious. I guess it is the awareness of our judgmental nature that allows us to choose how to respond instead of reacting with judgment.
"But mindfulness isn't for everyone or for every mental health condition (how about if your thoughts are just too painful or traumatic?)"
And this is why I can't use it in a crisis. In a trauma related emotional flashback it would be dangerous for me. But then grounding exercises can sometimes help. But I must say, as someone who almost certainly has a severe form of complex post traumatic stress disorder.. practicing mindfulness when I am not in a crisis does mean that I am better able to protect myself from getting into a crisis in the first place. If anyone has difficulty with strong emotions or impulses or difficult thoughts in this way, I would suggest building up slowly. I actually started with only one minute and added a minute everyday when I felt like it, if not I kept it at the level I had reached. Now I can do 30m and I am much more tolerant of my own emotional state.
I think it seems like a fad because we haven't used it so much in the west until recently. In the east some forms of mindfulness mediatation have been used for thousands of years. It is actually very tried and tested. There is however a lot of nonsense online about mindfulness that sometimes isn't so helpful and that's why it is good if we share trustworthy resources with each other.
Deb, so cool that you already have a course planned. I have never been on an official course, been doing my own from books and YouTube etc. You guys are making me think I should look one up sometime!
Do give us updates and reviews I am interested to hear how it goes and how you find it
Sorry to make such a massive post everyone, your eyes are probably hurting if you read all that, but I am so excited that we have such a nice thing to try together. It has given me a really big smile tonight, more than once