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Isap
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Re: How are things progressing Isap

Postby Isap » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:17 am

Just read in a newspaper about these detention centres where they put perfectly legal EU citizens indefinitely for the most minor things like traffic infractions. I won't post a link because its depressing but just shows how racist England has become. A bit similar to my situation.

This is a political statement so I don't expect everyone to agree, but the UK is a very authoritarian country with a generally ignorant populace who believe the right wing media and vote in a government who are actually opposed to their interests and treat them with disdain. This would never happen in France where people are taught to think independently at a young age. That's why I left in 1982 and apart from one brief 6 month spell have not lived there since. There's nothing I miss about it. Rubbish food and crap weather too. Land of the Free haha.

Sorry for the rant, especially if you disagree. But I doubt if many will read it

Isap

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Re: How are things progressing Isap

Postby andthistoomustpass » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:17 am

Hi Isap.

Glad to hear that there are signs of progress with your case. As ever, I think the limbo you are in is atrocious and hope for a swift resolution.

I fully agree that critical thinking and argument analysis are woefully absent from UK education, or at least they were back in the stone age when I finished school. It does make you wonder cui bono and I don't think we have to look particularly far to find the answer.

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Re: How are things progressing Isap

Postby andthistoomustpass » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:17 am

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Re: How are things progressing Isap

Postby Isap » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:37 am

Hi ATTMP

Nice to hear from you again and thanks for your kind words.

I am a bit older than you but we are from the same generation. You'd think that with over 50% going to university now things would change, but doesn't look like it.

Isap

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Re: How are things progressing Isap

Postby andthistoomustpass » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:07 am

I suspect it is partly due to information overload, it is far quicker and easier to take notice of a soundbite than a policy paper, especially when people are tired and stressed. I consider myself reasonably politically aware but I no longer take an active interest and couldn't tell you much about the beliefs and stances of current politicians. I do note that, in England at least, turkeys never seem to tire of voting for Christmas. I'm not calling the electorate turkeys but, like you, I find it strange that a party that represents the interests of the minority are continually elected. Not that I know if the other lot would be any better. The first step would have to be some form of proportional representation. It is ridiculous that so many parliamentary seats are 'safe' with the candidate of the favoured party being all but guaranteed to win. So many people rightly feel that their vote is ineffective. Is it any wonder that an actual referendum was seized on by the disenfranchised?

Ooops I can tell I've been up all night now I am on to politics. Time to sign off and lay down.

Keep taking care of yourself.

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Re: How are things progressing Isap

Postby Isap » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:55 am

Hi ATTMP

Yep I agree with you entirely. Good time to sign off as this forum shouldn't really be about politics although I've seen it on other MH forums. And amazed how many so called empathetic MH sufferers using the NHS are anything but left wing.

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Re: How are things progressing Isap

Postby amaya » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:30 pm

I agree completely with what you said Isap, I am glad to be out of the UK. Before I left I was actually involved in political activism to try to change things.. I can't believe how quickly it has become worse since I took a break from watching the news. Now I am taking a much needed rest from politics. I will explore this aspect of Holland when I am well enough to cope with it. My stance is somewhere with the socialists and Rage Against The Machine when it comes to politics :)

But yes, I am not sure it helps to have too much politics discussion because mental health is very often such a personal conversation. But it is not entirely seperate. I think like every other area of study in a capitalist world, the focus is on the individual, whereas in fact there is a huge interchange of factors affecting mental health between the individual and the society they live in. Just look at the way that ineffective drugs laws are damaging people, prisons, austerity, an education system that puts children in a sort of competition all the time. When I taught I made at least half of the assessment group work. We are social animals and the mental health of individuals is not just about whether they are sick or not, but about how we are all treating each other and whether society is meeting it's members needs.

You are a great example because a proportion of your suffering is from your situation and you may or may not have underlying illnesses that also give you struggles, but society should enable you not disable, or lock up. The sheer number of people in prison in the world is terrifying. In the US it is like slave labour.

Okay I will stop now.
I hope you are well today x

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Re: How are things progressing Isap

Postby Isap » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:03 pm

Hi Amaya

Thanks for your lovely post.

I was an associate professor of English in Japan for 30 years. Before taking that fateful vacation here to escape my SAD.

I graded students not on ability but on attendance and interest shown in class. I was required to give exams so gave them the questions in advance. I only ever failed students for bad attendance. I felt my job was to prepare them to be well informed and well integrated individuals. Japan is an intensely competitive society but with socialist leanings e.g.gap between boss and workers is x5 maximum. Compare that to the English speaking countries. I taught about drugs, mental health, sexual diseases, LGBT and all the taboo subjects. Got told to stop it but didn't. Students really appreciated the information.

Hope you are OK today

Isap xx

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Re: How are things progressing Isap

Postby deb1960 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:26 pm

Hi Isap

I am lucky. I was brought up to be an independent thinker as was my first husband and my permanent one. My children too are independent especially my son.

In the pound shop I work in there are a couple of guys and a girl with excellent politics which is great as we have wee discussions when we can get away with it.

In Britain people blame migrants, illegal immigrants, benefit cheats, drug addicts, alcoholics and anyone who messes up their local community. They blame the government for not coming down hard enough. They don't want to look at the underlying issues because having a scapegoat is easier on the mind. To get away from problems they buy the crap papers that tell us that someone famous is dead/got engaged/had a breakdown etc. They watch I'm a Celebrity get Me out of Here. They cocoon themselves in all the dross and people like me wander what's happening. I can't emigrate because my mental health is far too fragile.

Sorry, I feel passionately about this subject.

Meanwhile, the actual figures for overcrowding make it sound almost unbelievable. Yes I'd sooner be with your cellmate. I'm very good at appeasing people.

Take care,

Debs xx

Ps I've deleted some of my post just in case it was unwise.

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Re: How are things progressing Isap

Postby amaya » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:42 pm

Wow it must have been amazing to be in Japan with that job. And great how you did it too :) When subversiveness is right :)
I really want to learn Japanese at some point.

Marx said "The ruling ideas prevail" so everyone is taught to think this way so they won't challenge the rulers, only blame each other. We need to reeducate each other. Like what Isap did in Japan in his way :) We can all do it in little ways. But in my experience people learn more from activities than rational discussion, you have to demonstrate that workers from other countries are not the problem by organising things where people will work together for common goals. It can be a lot of hard work.

Can you speak Japanese really well Isap?


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